Independent New York research company says people out of work because of the smoking ban.

Surprise, surprise surprise!

We have told them, and told them.
They don't listen but what the hey, the working people are not breathing liquid nitrogen, I mean smoke, anymore.
They're not working either.

What have Bloomberg and Meathead (Rob Reiner) been lobbying Europe now to pass their evil taking away rights agenda?

If so, could they please keep both of them?

Key findings of research:

On average, establishments reported a 17% decline in waiters and waitresses and a 11% decline in bartenders since the smoking ban went into effect. The number of assistant managers and kitchen staff was unchanged. The net effect is an average 10% decline.

One-third of all establishments reported a decline in total service related employees since the introduction of the smoking ban. Over two-thirds of these businesses attributed their decline to the smoking ban, with just under one-third attributing their decline to a poor economy.

Two-thirds of respondents cited fewer customers now than when the ban went effect. Half of all businesses included in the survey serve food (53%); 8 in 10 are single location establishments rather than part of a chain. Nearly half (48%) described themselves as bars with another quarter describing themselves as bar/restaurants.

I like to get on my old Harley and go to biker bars. I find that everyone there is polite and friendly (the outlaws aren't allowed to wear their colors); and better yet, THEY'RE DRINKING LIKE FISH, SMOKING LIKE CHIMNEYS AND ARMED TO THE TEETH. I sometimes think they're the last free people in America.

I'm beginning to think the same way.
Too bad I don't have a Harley, or any bike anymore for that matter.

"Too bad I don't have a Harley . . ."

You don't need a bike to go to a biker bar. Your money will spend just fine and the beer will taste just as good.

But, if the numbers of customers has truely decreased, where did those people actually go? The missing people are the most addicted in our society. They didn't stop smoking and they certainly didn't stop drinking. The question then becomes, "Where are they drinking?"

Since a large portion of satisfaction from both addictions springs from communal socialization, they must be still drinking and smoking with other drinkers and smokers, although not in the businesses in this survey. Where? Were the new locations surveyed? There has to be some displacemnt. At the same time, the business of bars and restaurants are decreasing, independent of the smoking variable.

How about our addicts here? With smoking bans, do you eat/drink out less than before the ban or have you just changed the places where you drink/smoke?

I live in NY State, which passed a statewide ban that took effect in July.

I am the service manager for a very large "route operator" of coin operated equipment. Our primary business has been the pool table, juke box, dart, pinball and video game trade in bars. We own and service the machines, and we make our money strictly from our share of the coinbox.

Since this ban went into effect, our collections have dropped by multiples of ten percent. People go outside to smoke, so they aren't inside playing pool and listening to music. So, we got hit harder than the bar owners did. They will feel the full effect now that the weather is getting colder, and people can't hang around outside to smoke. Patrons will just go home.

I make a good paycheck. I don't expect to be making it much longer. If this law stays in place, I expect to be out of work by the end of the year.

NY Sucks.

Nik

They passed this silly crap in Florida this past July. As a smoker I always respect where I light up and try to not be offensive to anyone. I am a carpenter by trade and the outside restaurant deck business is booming for me now.

What is funny is that here in Florida, people stand in the shade next to the entrance doors to smoke because it is too hot in the sun. I refuse to go to bars that don't allow smoking but you can find me sitting on a waterfront deck enjoying a cold one and a smoke.

See my post #10. I look at it this way. I only have X amount of dollars to spend. When they passed this fradulent tobacco tax, I stopped eating out at restaurants as much as I used to. There are two or three bars I used to go to in order to play some pool. Two of them banned smoking and the third raised their pool table prices a quarter to offset the lost revenue. I no longer shoot pool.

Yeah, I have lost but so has the bar owners.

We just stay at the cabin. What the hell, we have +230 acres to play with. Who needs a pub?

Say what??? I refuse to read any more smoke gnatzie stuff tonight. Please post my Smoke Gnatzie poem for me. See ya tomorrow.

If you would drop the insults you might get a respectful answer.

As I'm basically a decent human being, I'll give you an answer anyway.

If the proprieter of a business is unable, or unwilling, to cater to my wants I will not patronize that business very often.
If smoking bans go into effect, IMO, smokers will not eat out as often, will not go to the bar to drink as often, they will socalize with others at their homes or in a location where their wants are not unfairly curbed.

Others, if living close enough to a state line, will go to another state.

Of course, you already know this information. You've had it told to you enough times that you should have it memorized.

Oh BTW, putz.

I am a carpenter by trade and the outside restaurant deck business is booming for me now.

Work the overtime now while you can because the nico-nazis have taken hold and smoking bans outside establishments will be their next move......

I am very sorry to hear this.
It's one thing that we have thought about but haven't talked about very much.

The govt seems like it is purposely trying to put people out of work.

The amount of information out there on this effect of smoking bans is truly amazing but it seemd like the govt will not hear about it, just like the information on ETS itself.

Where are they drinking?"

I now ask my friends where we are going and if it is to a non-smoking establishment I decline their offer and stay home. I prefer to smoke unemcumbered by nico-buttinskis........

If I still desire to go out, then I head to the places where people mind their own damn business because if they don't, there's someone around to insert their leather boot up their anal retentive ass.....

We still smoke'em if we got'em so if you're smart you won't come into our part of town. (Like I certainly expected you wimps to show up anyway)

Wow, I have to say that was the closest thing to a civil post I've ever seen from you but the answer to your question is New Jersey or Pennsylvania is where many go/stay.

New York's smoking ban is a boon for out-of-state bars and restaurants

The "stay" being a big factor because before the ban a good percentage of the bar clientele in NYC was from NJ. I personally (I currently live ~5-10 miles from NYC) haven't been to NYC (and state) to go the bars since the ban. Bars close much earlier here in NJ at 2 or 3Am depending on the town and many times after the bars close many people would just hop on the bus for a quick ride into Manhattan, Now when the bars close the bus stop is empty.

BTW. Forget the Level Playing field crap in a rare moment of clarity New Jersey killed a smoking ban. And as for your assertion that "the business of bars and restaurants are decreasing, independent of the smoking variable." I agree to some extent mostly because of the insane DUI laws but in my town of ~10,000 people before the ban there were 4 bars now after the ban 1 new bar just opened and another one is being currently build.

There are other reasons because for most people in NY (and NYC)New Jersey and Penn. are not practical. So people are going out less or throwing house parties and there is rumors of people opening up smoke easys which are illegal bars at their house/apartment.

I have gone back to my house in upstate NY quite a few times since the ban and I have yet to go to a bar/restaurant in NYS. If I wanted nightlife I have either gone to a house party, taken a boat across Lake Champlain to Vermont or drove up to Montreal.

Now I have to ask where the hell are you people? You people wanted the bans so where the hell are you? Why aren't you going out more? How come the nonsmokers in NJ aren't pouring into NYC? Why are New Jersey Bars booming while NYC bars are dying?

he** the city of Solana Beach as already baned smoking on the beach and in the water, the city of Los Angeles is considering a smoking ban on their beaches. So what next no smoking in your own home...

So what next no smoking in your own home...

That's part of the ultimate goal that they have.